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31 Jul 2024


Courtesy of Jim Terry, location of fixtures on Nice page finally determined.

30 Jul 2024


Various updates and IDs for the French entries, Paris, Cannes. UK Streetscenes 2000/2001 updated with new fixture IDs. All the UK pages updated with recent removals.

28 Jul 2024


Some survivors in Detroit and Wyandotte. Extra Graz pic found.

14 Jul 2024


Europe: The Ibiza self ballasted merc fixtures are still hanging on. Paris mercuries mostly gone by the mid 2010s but lots of HPS still around. In Rome, LED retrofitting of the architectural fixtures is well underway. Finally confirmed the status of the fixtures on the Graz page.

31 Mar 2024


Updates and additions to USA pages:Salton City, Elmwood Park IL, JFK airport, Everett WA, in CA Whittier, Arcadia, Eagle Rock, Fullerton. Also Webster. Ontario and Wolcott in upstate NY.

30 Mar 2024


Dayton, OH Form 109s removed, but trolleybus mercury teardrop remains.

25 Mar 2024


Reports that the Crimefighters are still at the rest stop near Boise ID.

18 Feb 2024


Some updates and recent pictures added. Fluorescents in Dresden NY, LPS and OV20s, Champaign IL, Torrance CA.

17 Feb 2024


News that the distinctive Monaco Station induction installation has been retrofitted to LED recently.

21 Jul 2023


Los Angeles: Most of the Altadena MH retrofits still there as of last year. The solitary Palos Verdes light was removed by 2020.

8 Mar 2023


News of the closure of the Savannah Mall, although the mercury lights are still burning for now.
Large freeway series mercury installation found in Jacksonville FL.

13 Oct 2022


Surprising news that the Frankfurt gas lights are still hanging on.

13 Sep 2022


Update to Newport Beach page with a couple of 2010 pics and a couple of new 2022 pics from Jim Terry.

8 Mar 2022


This site is 20 years old! First created in 2002, it has documented big changes in streetlighting, here and there.

27 Feb 2022


Great pic of a surviving LA freeway merc and some survivors in Beverly Hills, courtesy of Glen.

11 May 2021


All the old mercuries in Monaco finally changed out to LED, possibly last year (2020).

23 Oct 2020


Mercury survivors in Birmingham added to UK merc page.

11 Jul 2020


More dates discovered for the Venice main lighting installation, and sad news of some private mercury fixture LED conversions. Location of rare suspended fixtures, and their removal, documented.

16 Feb 2020


Series LPS in San Diego.

27 Jan 2020


More old sports field lighting, this time in El Monte, CA. OV20s at LAX that can only be seen from a plane.

7 Jan 2020


Lots of fuss over the Vermonica art exhibit.

19 Oct 2019


New-old pics and news of survivors in Eagle Rock (LA metro area).

8 Oct 2019


Sacramento page updated with pics of the lighting at the former Red Lion Sacramento Inn, taken in 2012 before it was demolished. Gumballs under the 10 freeway in downtown LA.

8 Sep 2019


New main section, Uncategorised with various unused and uncommented pics from over the years to browse.

5 Sep 2019


Whole site look/display revamp, first since 2006. Page layout redone to take account of modern browsers, web standards and mobile devices. More picture thumbnails viewable at one time on gallery pages.

15 Aug 2019


Internal changes to database access.

22 Jul 2019


Update of Seattle page with IDs of the parking lot fixtures there, and new pics. IDs of previously unknown fixtures in Chicago.

8 Jul 2019


Most of site pages have status flag indications now.

22 Jun 2019


Individual picture date display from EXIF info if available, on some pages.

20 Jun 2019


As the worldwide LED changeout rolls on, more and more pictures on these pages are a historical record rather than showing what is still there.
To address this, new status flag with tooltip explanation (if the light in the picture is surviving, has been removed etc) function added to picture pages. UK, Europe and some of the US section pages updated with new functionality.

30 Apr 2019


Extra info, translations added to Twinarc page.

15 Dec 2018


More San Diego pics, the Loma Portal concrete poles this time. Savannah Mall interior mercury lighting pics added.

15 Nov 2018


San Diego page updated, Talmadge pictures added.

18 Aug 2018


Extra identifications (GE L-69A) on the SHL scans pages.

24 May 2018


Updates to Chicagoland and Graz pages.

17 May 2018


Central Station at Whitefish Bay WI added to the USA/Canada section. Locations corrected on Cannes page.

16 May 2018


Many pics from 2012 (pre-changeout) added to Detroit MI page.

15 May 2018



14 May 2018



1 April 2018


New USA/Canada section pages:
Mount Vernon WA, Victorville CA, Urbana-Champaign IL.

30 Mar 2018


Old car lot incandescents that were in Hollywood added to USA & Canada section.
Night pics added to Vista del Mar acorns, and the story of Surfridge.

26 March 2018


More updates, notes of losses in USA & Canada section. Picture of the new (in 2011) metal halide fixtures on Wilshire in Beverly Hills.

23 Mar 2018


Frankfurt page added showing some of the gas lights there.
Fluorescents at Lake Tahoe (NV side) added to USA & Canada section.

4 Mar 2018


Recentish fluorescent replacements at Waterloo documented. Various updates, note of losses in the USA & Canada section.

23 Feb 2018


Relocation of the Vermonica exhibit to the BSL FOD noted.

19 Jan 2018


Details of losses added to LA 2005-8 pages. Lots of corrections/locations added to LA 2004 pages.

3 Nov 2017


Information including a changeout to LED in Venice kindly provided by Franco Gobbo.

30 Oct 2017


Extensive updates to the Lighting/UK section, noting removals, changeouts to LED and views that are no longer available due to redevelopment.

13 Oct 2017


Internal changes- Better no JS compatability and W3C validator compliance work

12 Oct 2017


Halloween Sylvania green incandescent added.

29 Sep 2017


Location for Twinarc reference site discovered, pics and info about the upcoming Japanese mercury ban added.

25 Aug 2017


More fluorescent removals, in the UK- Leigh GEC Z8370

14 Feb 2017


Removal of Auto lot fluorescents at Huntington Beach noted.

23 Jul 2016


All videos now converted to mp4, no Flash needed for this site.

22 Apr 2015


HTML5 video support added.

19 Jun 2014


Acorns at the beach given a page.

7 Jun 2014


Page added for the now removed Eagle Rock spanwire incandescent.

26 Apr 2014


Salford Group A LEDs added to UK LED page.

1 Apr 2014


Update to the Dillard page of the loss of the Form 109 there.

14 Sep 2013


A couple of pics, updates added to San Diego page.

20 Aug 2013


Correction to location of Valley spanwire incandescent
Incandescent pic added to San Francisco page.

10 Aug 2013


Last of the April 2013 trip updates.
Lubbock, TX
Fort Sumner, NM
Gallup, NM
Van Nuys, CA
Yreka, CA
Pics added to Las Vegas, NV and Pasadena, CA pages.

28 May 2013



25 May 2013



16 Aug 2012


Location corrected on San Francisco page.

12 Aug 2012


Updates and corrections to both main Los Angeles pages added.

14 Apr 2012


LED page added to UK section, LED RWL fixtures in Salford detailed. UK mercury page updated with Salford Revo Prefect find.

21 Aug 2011


LA 2nd St tunnel videos added to US and Canada section. Reports of some sad losses in the Valley and Beverly Hills courtesy of Glen Norman added. Search 'update' to find them.

19 June 2011


Auto lot fluorescents at Huntington Beach and Palm Springs added to US and Canada section.

23 May 2011


Inductions in London pics added to UK section.

22 May 2011


Eye Moon Pulse lamp added to Lamp Videos section.

17 Jan 2011


Wardle Aureole pics added to UK LPS section.

4 Mar 2010


North Hills LED test site page added to 'US LED Schemes' section.

8 Feb 2010


'US LED Schemes' subsection added to Lighting section, 6th St Bridge LEDs page addded.

6 Feb 2010


Last Hillsiders in LA County at Benedict Canyon added.

5 Feb 2010


Sad news of the demise of the Chatsworth Hillsiders.

21 Jan 2010


Clarifications/ corrections added to lamp date pages from information kindly provided by James Hooker, July 2009.

14 June 2009


Identification added to Monaco page.

3 June 2009


Various refinments and additions to Lamp date calculator pages, now 7 calculators available.

24 May 2009


More additions to Lamp date calculator page, factory data added for Osram, added Sylvania US calculator.

20 May 2009


Lamp date calculator page started, 2 calculators added.

10 May 2009


Eye Twinarc lamp added to Lamp Videos section.

15 April 2009


Identification on the Marblemount page and update to Rockville, UT page.

29 January 2009


1954 ECKO lamp catalogue added to Other Stuff section.

28 November 2008


Night time pics of the Dillard Form 109 lit kindly provided by Jim Terry.

12 November 2008


A couple of LED test sites in Inglewood & Long Beach added to Los Angeles pics 2005-8.

25 October 2008


New 'Collection' subsection added to Lighting section, restoration of old GEC lantern documented there.

9 October 2008


More CA stuff: one or two interesting things in Sacramento added to USA and Canada section. Overhead wiring in Torrance, T5 Fluorescents in Tulare and OV-14s in Turlock added also.

4 October 2008


Mission Viejo, Palos Verdes Estates added to USA & Canada section. Los Angeles pics 2005-8 updated with 4 pics of some Revere floods near downtown.

1 October 2008


Big update of 2008 pictures.

Added to the USA and Canada section are
Altadena, Buena Park, Dillard, Fresno, Seal Beach, Medford.

Pages updated are Beverly Hills, Chatsworth, Hollywood (new page and additions to LA pages), Hollywood Specials, Lindberg Park, Santa Monica.

BSL section renamed as 'Museums and Exhibits', Chris Burden's Urban Light exhibit picture gallery added to this section.

29 Sep 2008


Big find in Newport Beach added to USA & Canada section. Updates page 'linkified'.

20 Aug 2008


Hillsiders in Chatsworth added to USA & Canada section.

27 May 2008


Extra identification on the UK fluorescent lights page.

18 May 2008


Burbank, Westchester added to USA & Canada section, 2 pictures added to La Cañada Flintridge page.

15 November 2007


Scans of adverts from Street & Highway Lighting (1960s) added to Other Stuff section.

12 November 2007


Identification kindly provided by AC Rhone added to Salton City page.

11 November 2007


Whittier added to USA & Canada section.

31 October 2007


Corrections to Salton City, Mukilteo, Ruston pages kindly provided by AC Rhone, pages updated. Pasadena added to USA & Canada section.

30 October 2007


Some IDs provided for the France and Italy (Venice) pages.

28 October 2007


Parker Junction added to USA & Canada section.

27 October 2007


Four Corners added to USA & Canada section. Video added to San Marino pics page. Compatability problem with Internet Explorer and video pages fixed.

26 October 2007


Search facility added to sidebar in Lighting section. Yay! Seems to work reasonably well...

22 October 2007


3 pics added to San Marino, Mukilteo and Marblemount added to USA & Canada section.

21 October 2007


Major internal changes to make the thing easier to update, some reordering of page indexes on left- now alphabetical, Las Vegas added to USA & Canada section.

15 September 2007


Whidbey Island added to USA & Canada section.

4 September 2007


Scans section added, S&HL Pemco scan to start off.

31 August 2007


La Cañada Flintridge added to USA & Canada section. Extra pics added to BSL museum and 'other BSL pics' page.

29 August 2007


Winthrop added to USA & Canada section.

28 August 2007


Salt Lake City video pages and link from main SLC page added.

27 August 2007


Woodland Hills added to USA & Canada section. Rest of videos on site (all the lamp videos) re-encoded in higher resolution and Flash players provided on the individual pages as an alternative to the Realvideo. Magenta MH video (a new one) added to Lamp Video section.

26 August 2007


Dark Sky TV programme re-encoded in better quality, Flash player added to page. LA 2005-7 descriptions finished. Latest Update added to Lighting section home page.

22 August 2007


More descriptions added to LA 2005-7 section.

10 August 2007


Night pics added to Century City page. LA intro page added, LA 2005-7 section started.

9 August 2007


Boise truckstop pics, Santa Monica, Westwood added to USA & Canada section.

7 August 2007


Chicagoland 2007 gallery link added to Chicago (2000) page.

5 August 2007


Culver City, Beverly Hills added to USA & Canada section. Pic added to Powergroove page.

4 August 2007


West Covina, Omak added to USA & Canada section.

3 August 2007


Powergrooves added to Lamps section, Salt Lake City descriptions updated, Snoqualmie page updated with new pics, Century City added to USA & Canada section.

1 August 2007


Salt Lake City added to USA & Canada section.

31 July 2007


Tacoma added to USA & Canada section. Cursor problem on dropdown menues fixed, minor stylesheet changes.

28 July 2007


Menus changed to dropdown style.

9 July 2007


Ruston, Snoqualmie added to USA&Canada section.

8 July 2007


Non-UK section split into 'USA & Canada' and 'Europe'.
San Diego, San Marino, Artesia, Pacific Beach, Salton City, Rockville, Calipatria added to USA & Canada section, extra pics from 2005 added to BSL Museum section, some internal tidying up.

7 July 2007


LA BSL section and pics added.

6 July 2007


Cannes, Monaco, Nice, Paris added to Non-UK section.

1 July 2007


Venice section reinstated, more captions provided.

30 June 2007


Glen's 'Hollywood Specials' pics added to Non-UK section, 'Venice' temporarily removed to be fixed- it will return soon.

26 June 2007


'San Carlas' and 'Venice' pages added to Non-UK section.

25 June 2007


Changes to Phill's php code to make it php5 compatable.

30 Jan 2007


Site moved to own host from metal-halide.net.

6 May 2005


The whole lot moved to Plusnet webspace, minor changes to accomodate merging of annexe pages into main site.

17 July 2004


SLI video kindly provided by Mike Barford added to 'Lamps' page.

3 July 2004


'LA 2004' section added to FreeUK.

27 March 2004


Identifications kindly provided by Martin Nỳdr included on 'Graz' page.

4 January 2004


'HPS restrike' page added.

1 December 2003


3 new pages in 'Streetscenes' section, 'Manchester Carpark' added to 'UK' page.

19 November 2003


HPS video page & video added, backgrounds added to main lighting page and lamps page, some tidying up.

12 November 2003


Identifications kindly provided by Jon Salmon included on 'Streetscenes' pages.

10 November 2003


'Streetscenes' pages added.

3 May 2003


Various maintenance including moving all of the 'pics of top...' stuff to the annexe at FreeUK to free up space, update to Alpha Three 'Boothstown' page.

20 March 2003


'Boothstown' added to UK page mercury section, Garage MBF light added to Nonroadway section.

25 February 2003


MA page added to 'Lamps' page.

24 February 2003


LPS, MBI/MBF and MBTF pages added to 'Lamps' page.

26 January 2003


Info. kindly provided by Simon Cornwell included on various pages, 'Warrington' page updated with new MV pics, 'Warrington,CF' page added.

22 January 2003


Annexe at freeuk started, streetlight video page put there (was hosted by me at home).

21 January 2003


'Lamps' and 'Mercury lamp video' pages added.

27 December 2002


Updates to 'Hough lane', 'Mort lane' sections.

29 April 2002


Bolton subsection added to 'Pictures of the top of things' section.

25 March 2002


Graz page added to & 'overhead dist.' page added.

21 March 2002


'Pictures of the top of things' section added, Leigh & Manchester subsections put in.

20 March 2002


Non roadway and 'pictures which happen...' sections added. Also 'flourescent', 'manchester road', 'warrington' added to UK section.

13 March 2002


Culcheth added to MH section.

12 March 2002


Several lights on 'UK' page identified.

10 March 2002


Mercury Vapour & Metal Halide added to UK section.

9 March 2002


stuff added to UK section.

8 March 2002


site created.